Wednesday, March 25, 2009

Atheists : Where does all the matter in the universe come from?

UNDER WORLD HELL?I DONT KNOW?WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME?????
Atheists : Where does all the matter in the universe come from?
To be perfectly honest, I don%26#039;t really care where it all comes from, I just get on with the business of living my life as a useful member of society and as nice a person as possible.
Atheists : Where does all the matter in the universe come from?
I guess they were all created by an unknown scientist God. Before He creates the world He must have failed several times. Those objects you find in the universe are the remains of His several attempts made by God to create a fine world. At last He had succeeded in creating the world and all creatures. Now, I think, He is watching.
Reply:Is this something that Atheists ought to know? I thought that being an Atheist meant holding a belief in the non-existence of a Creator, not having a unique knowledge of the universe and its constituent parts. Perhaps you meant to write %26#039;Physicists%26#039; instead? Or are you one of those religious believers who curiously think that Atheists are wrong because they can%26#039;t answer all the difficult questions that you fudge by saying %26#039;it%26#039;s all because of God%26#039; ?
Reply:you dont know, and i dont know. simple as that.
Reply:An atheist would say %26#039;by magic%26#039;, reality holds that the nucleus of every matter in the atom stage is same be it gold/iron and the origin of this is same and one only which is God.
Reply:I agree with Davy J. And I have question for all believers, where does God come from?
Reply:The origin is energy.





%26quot;...the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep...%26quot; (Genesis 1:2)





It clearly described the origin was without form and void; it may be a plasma state or just energy. %26quot;darkness was upon the face of deep%26quot; indicated that it should be energy because plasma is still bright inside.





Of course, you can go to verse one to say God created that energy. If it was created, then God did created darkness which can only serve alienation to God. Hence, our alienation against God is in God%26#039;s will.
Reply:I do not see any intelligent atheist answerer here on this question.





First law of thermodynamic states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed.





I believe many people have hard time understand the concept of infinity, all i can say is that the concept negates the starting point, meaning the %26quot;start%26quot; doesnt exist.





Often atheist say this when faced with this question, if god always existed why cant energy. This is a legitimate counter argument, i did not find any theists who were smart enough to counter this. All they said was some super complex being was just always there.





You can find rough conclusion from these two premises, either god always existed or energy always existed, meaning something do not need start. If you have to bet, will you go for god, which you cannot see or sense or energy which you are surrounded with right now?
Reply:Since %26quot;existence exists%26quot; (you would not argue that, would you?) to argue that at one time existence did NOT exist would be to contradict the meaning of the word. Therefore, it must always have existed, never not existed, always to exist in the future.





%26quot;Existence is a self-sufficient primary. It is not a product of a supernatural dimension, or of anything else. There is nothing antecedent to existence, nothing apart from it—and no alternative to it. Existence exists—and only existence exists. Its existence and its nature are irreducible and unalterable.%26quot;


Leonard Peikoff “The Analytic-Synthetic Dichotomy,” in the book %26quot;Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology%26quot;; Ayn Rand





%26quot;Naturalism, challenging the cogency of the cosmological, teleological, and moral arguments, holds that the universe requires no supernatural cause and government, but is self-existent, self-explanatory, self-operating, and self-directing, that the world-process is not teleological and anthropocentric, but purposeless, %26quot;


http://www.ditext.com/runes/n.html





Existence is the given. If all matter were to disappear, or to have been at one time non-existent, then by definition existence itself would not and could not ever come into being. %26quot;Ex nihilo%26quot; is an impossiblity.





%26quot;Existence and identity are not attributes of existents, they are the existents . . . . The units of the concepts “existence” and “identity” are every entity, attribute, action, event or phenomenon (including consciousness) that exists, has ever existed or will ever exist.%26quot;


%26quot;Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology%26quot;; Ayn Rand





Asking where matter came from commits the fallacy of the Reification of the Zero, turning a %26quot;nothing%26quot; into a %26quot;something%26quot; without cause. Energy has always existed because that is the nature, the definition, and the denotation of existence.
Reply:The Egyptians brought it in their starships.

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