Wednesday, March 25, 2009

Where does all of the incredibly complex information come from that is stored within DNA?

Information doesn鈥檛 just appear by itself. Someone has to put it there.
Where does all of the incredibly complex information come from that is stored within DNA?
It can be from Adam and Eve.





However, in the evolution process, the DNA code must be changing in step with the evolution; otherwise, man is just man body with alps mind. If DNA code can be grew in response to external stimulation, problem solved.





Your assumption may not be right. Growing is an extension from existing. The world and lives are more dynamic than your imagination.
Where does all of the incredibly complex information come from that is stored within DNA?
A big bang - and you can interpret that whichever way you want.
Reply:Amazing isn%26#039;t it?





Do I dare say that an intelligent being, perhaps even God, created us in such an unexplicably perfect way down to the microscopic hair cells in our ears that allow us to hear.





This is one of my favorite verses about being created in the womb.





Psalm 139:13-18





13 For you created my inmost being;


you knit me together IN MY MOTHER%26#039;S WOMB.





14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;


your works are wonderful,


I know that full well.





15 My frame was not hidden from you


when I was made in the secret place.


When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,





16 your eyes saw my unformed body.


All the days ordained for me


were written in your book


before one of them came to be.





17 How precious to [b] me are your thoughts, O God!


How vast is the sum of them!





18 Were I to count them,


they would outnumber the grains of sand.


When I awake,


I am still with you.





To even suggest that we were created by %26quot;chance%26quot; takes much more faith.





Edited:





I just love those thumbs down as soon as you try to say that we were created. It%26#039;s so much easier to think that it took a million years for a blob in the middle of a pond just by complete chance decided (oh, it must%26#039;ve had a brain if it could decide)(how did it get that?) to evolve into the inexplicably complex dna that we carry around with us and that is uniquely our own.





How could anyone with any intelligence at all believe that chance could produce that. Chance never produced anything, it%26#039;s just another word for luck!
Reply:It is mathematically possible for order to arise out of chaos. The simplest example is the %26quot;Game of Life%26quot; which uses rules of 2d shape interactions.





Much of our physical sciences are based on chaos at the micro level such as random or unwritten quantum states interacting to form observable objects following predictable laws at the macro level that we observe.





The information in our DNA was (at least partialy) selected by evolution. The same is also true of the information contained in the seed conditions of the Big Bang, which made the evolved organism we call our Cosmos. Out in the Mega or Multi-verse we have a string of evolutionary choices that we might follow back to the very first form, or thought, which arose out of chaos.





The mechainsms of how our universe was chosen are fairly clear but encompas a multitude of areas of science and psychology.





If you choose to call the initial mind God, then it is likely that God or God%26#039;s thoughts evolved with the evolution of creation.





If you choose to stay within our space-time and call our universe or our universes creators or parents God, then we may have a God before human time which exists beyond or before time existed in our space-time continuum.





all of our modern physics is based on the assumption of something like quantum mechanics that allows things to pop ina nad out of existence for no reason or from the whim of observers like ourselves.





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As to your idea that someone has to be behind information, you may be correct, but it may be that every sub atomic particle has a sepaeate mind behind it or the decisions that make our universe may be ultimately completely sensless or arbuitrary.





If we leave our focus on decisions that impact human existance, then much of what happens is at least partially orchestrated by decisions of minds beyond human limitations.





there is cosmic purposes in many aspects of human history and influences on our evolution from beyond our sphere of knowledge. Our physical; evolution for example is fine tuned by DNa floating in the dust clouds of intergalactic space and more closely from DNA and more generic chemicals shared within our solar system.





Our planet also acts like a living organism with its own countermeasures to avoid ill health.





Many people look to the laws of thermodynamics and the tendency of things in our macro world to break down as proof that order requires external assistance. The logical laws of physics at our macro level are underpinned by crazy chaos at lower levels. Even gas pressure arises out of numerous random movements of individual gas particles.





Likewise chaotic interactions at the Plank scale combime to form stable structures starting from Quarks to Electrons, Atoms, Molecules, Cels, Organs and Bio-Organisms.





There still jowever are many mysteries, the least of which is why building blocks such as the underlying chaos or the minds that perceive the order of the universe should have existed in the first place.





No matter what questions we find answers to we can always ask another %26quot;Why is it so?%26quot; question to our latest answers.





But as to the origin of information it is possible and inevitable for Chaos to lead to order, but as to where the observers or creative agents fit into the picture you may be close to being on the right track.





Because of evolution Chaos almost invariably leads to order. Likewise order almost inavriably breaks down without external assistance.





Do a search on %26quot;Quantum Mind%26quot; for ideas f how chaos and mind interact. There is much to investigate, but it is clear that information can just apppear by itself but it is also clear that without a mind to think or observe information, no one gets informed.
Reply:The information contained in the genetic code of each organism on this planet evolved over many eons through natural selection and adaptation.


It began very simply and progressed from that point on.





So sorry, but a %26quot;magical god%26quot; who, presto change-o makes life appear with nothing up his sleeve, etc. is not necessary.
Reply:Polar molecules self assemble. Over Billions of years, at the reaction rate of 10^-15 seconds, yo can see that even the Chimps can come up with questions like this one.
Reply:this is one of those questions that seems to attract the loooooooooooooooooooooooooong cut and paste answers eh? I%26#039;ll say that most of the information comes from the N, although the D and A are still important.
Reply:Yes this whole universe is way too complex and ordered for it to have occured that way by chance. And to anyone who would say order came out of chaos: it was that order was there at the start. Order has always been there and always will be for the source of order is eternal.....He is God and He is One..........His attributes:


http://www.noblesanctuary.com/ghazali.ht...





Look at the Universe and consider String Theory:


%26quot;According to string theory, absolutely everything in the universe鈥攁ll of the particles that make up matter and forces鈥攊s comprised of tiny vibrating fundamental strings. Moreover, every one of these strings is identical. The only difference between one string and another, whether it%26#039;s a heavy particle that is part of an atom or a massless particle that carries light, is its resonant pattern, or how it vibrates.%26quot; --- as quoted from The Elegant Universe website and the article


Resonance in Strings:


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/res...





The video: Strings The Thing:


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/pro...





Now read:


%26quot;He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs. %26quot; [Quran 31:10]





to: Lynnie ---- Yes it is amazing ....subhana Allah [God us pure and mighty]) :)

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